Friday, October 24, 2008

Prerokbe Ognja (1996)

Director:
Michael Benson

Ovaj dokumentarac je zapravo ne tolko film o Laibachu nego se vise fokusira na taj ART deo i NSK ili kako to oni vole da kazu : A Film About Art, Politics, and War. Da ne bih mogo drvio parafraziracu samo jednu poentu Slavoja Zizeka koju je izreko u ovom filmu, naravno jako je bilo tesko povatati sve to jer njegov engleski izgovor je svima jako dobro poznat, znaci to razumeti u celini je jako tesko, ali sustina donekle i moze da se shvati tako da se unapred izvinjavam ako sam negde omanuo ali mislim da i ako jesam nisam mnogo. Naravno ne morate ovo chitati, mozete sve to naci u originalu na tom da ga tako krstim "zizek enleskom" u filmu ali evo ga ovde pa ko voli...i tako dalje :

Najcesce pitanje koje chovek postavlja sebi vezano sa Laibach je da li oni sebe shvataju ozbijno ili je to vise neka vrsta ironije ? Ja mislim da su ovde ponudjene dve pogreshne alternative, jer automatska pretpostavka je da ako je tvoj stav prema odredjenom drushtvenom sistemu, sistemu drushtvenih vrednosti, itd. ironichan da si onda subverzivan, a ako si ozbiljan da si automatski konformista. Ja mislim da je cela poenta, sushtina, osnovno gledishte Laibachove strategija ovo - i to ne vazhi samo za Sloveniju nego uopshteno, za takozvani kasni kapitalizam - da je sistemu samom po sebi inherentno da njegova sopstvena ideologija ne sme biti shvacena ozbiljno. Drugim recima, cinizam kao danasnji preovladjujuci vid ideologije oznachava pozitivni preduslov funkcionisanja sistema gde on sam svoju ideologiju ne shvata ozbiljno. I idealan subjekt je danas onaj koji pravi tu ironicnu distancu prema sistemu itd. A na suprotnoj strani od svega toga je zapravo jedini nacin kako da neko bude zaista suberzivan tj. ne da razvija kriticki potencijal ili tu ironicnu distancu,nego upravo da shvati sistem MNOGO OZBILJNIJE NEGO SHTO SAM SISTEM SEBE SHVATA. I mislim da je to mozda jedan od kljucheva Laibachove strategije.

Jos bi' samo dodao da se ovde moze videti i chuti i cuveni govor Petera Mlakara iz '89 na poslednjem koncertu u beogradskom SKC-u pred raspad SFRJ koji pocinje sa : "Braco Srbi..." a upozorava na porast nacionalizma sirom stare drzave i njegove moguce posledice. Takodje se izmedju ostalog govori i o sukobu izmedju Grchke i BJRM oko imena Makedonija. Skroz bre zanimljivo.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114176/

Entering the NSK state, the “state in time”...
NSK Passport Control

Learn to predict a fire with unerring precision. Then burn down the building to fulfill the prediction.
-- Czeslaw Milosz, Child of Europe
(credit model with KUM tower)


Until 1991 the Western republic of Socialist Yugoslavia, Slovenia's violent secession struck the first spark in the Balkan war which defined the first chapter of the post-cold war era. Using an inventive combination of reportage, dramatization, archival footage, animation and miniatures, Predictions of Fire is a revealing study of the controversial and internationally acclaimed Slovenian arts collective NSK, as seen through the lens of 20th century Central European history. Shot in Ljubljana, Moscow, New York, Belgrade, and Athens, this visually arresting film offers a portrait of a culture suspended between East and West. By documenting NSK, Predictions of Fire holds a mirror up to Europe and the world, analyzing the way nations are brought into conformity with ideology.


There is no document of human civilizationwhich is not at the same time a document of barbarism.
-- Walter Benjamin
(the object corridor)


The film won the Canadian Film Board's Best Documentary award at the 1996 Vancouver International Film Festival. The jury issued a statement: "Predictions of Fire is intellectual dynamite. It explodes the icons and myths of communism and capitalism. Out of the shattered history of Slovenia, this film constructs a new way of looking at art, politics, and religion."


The suprematist square and the forms proceeding out of it can be likened to the primitive marks (symbols) of aboriginal man which represented, in their combinations, not ornaments but a feeling of rhythm.
--- Kazimir Malevich
("Entartete Welt" in Congress Square, Ljubljana)


In the early 80's, an industrial rock band named Laibach emerged out of the tiny Yugoslav republic of Slovenia. Incorporating what many took to be fascist imagery in their performances, they shocked this tiny Balkan republic and, after signing a recording contract with London's prestigious Mute Records label, went on to shock the rest of the world as well. Laibach was soon joined by a painting group, Irwin, and theater group, Red Pilot, at the helm of one of the most ambitious and cutting-edge arts collectives in the world. Modeled after a socialist state bureaucracy, and calling themselves Neue Slowenische Kunst (New Slovenian Arts, or NSK), these three groups became the titular heads of a micro-state within the independent republic of Slovenia. NSK recently began issuing its own passports and opened embassies and consulates in Moscow, Berlin, Ghent, Florence, and in the US.


"“This is the Black Square on Red Square!”"
(Joint “Action” by Irwin and Kinetikon Pictures, Moscow, June 6 1992.
The 30-minute Action consisted of unfolding a 22 x 22 meter square of black fabric in the central part of Red Square).


Although Predictions of Fire documents the NSK collective, positioning their work within the history of ex-Yugoslavia, the film emerges as much more than an arts documentary. Predictions of Fire offers surprising insight into the Yugoslav conflict and the ongoing trauma experienced by generations of Eastern Europeans raised in totalitarian regimes. Variety wrote that the film "uses a postmodern, quasi-Godardian sensibility to show how politics invades every facet of artistic creation and how integral ideology is to the understanding of the structure and signification of images... An extremely rich tapestry of historical events and their mythic implications in both art and politics unfolds onscreen."



“"Tribes of Europe! The ground is ready!"”
(Speech by the NSK Department of Pure and Applied Philosophy)



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9 comments:

ULISES said...

Hello, Thanks for this well documented and great video, I had long time searching for it.

Thanks a lot for your effort.

Your blog seem to be a great blog, I hope I can learn your language (not sure if is slovenian)

Take Care, best regards from Mexico

Anonymous said...

Svaka cast za post, trazio sam ovaj doc vec neko vrijeme, i osim youtube verzije (koja je cini mi se ionako derivat ovoga posta) ovoga nema nigdje. Neznam dali si svjestan cinjenice da nedostaje oko 5 minuta filma (izmedju min 5 i 10). Po meni je ovo jedan od interesantnijih djelova jer ukljucuje i video zapis Cari Amici uzivo by Tomaz Hostnik sa uvodom "je moguche.." koji koresponduje prvim minutama zadnje pjesme na Ljubljana-Zagreb-Beograd. Znam ovo jer imao sam Prerokbe na VHS-u sa engleskim titlom krajem 90-ih, ali mi je neki papak izbrisao traku. Dokumentarac je mrak uprkos propustu. Slovenacki je malo tezak za hakati non-stop, ali sta ces..

Inace, impresivna kolekcija laibachovstine. Aferim.

Anonymous said...

Neki iz NSK, kada riječima dočaravaju slušaocu svoju filozofiju, služe se prepotentno filosofskim, krajnje širokim pojmovnim kategorijama, čime garantovano postižu impresivnu sliku o sebi, međutim, kad se slušalac poželi maknuti dalje od dojmova, pa namjeri prodrijeti u ideje koje NSK PR-ovi prema pretpostavci rasvjetljavaju riječima, onda primijeti da oni često zapravo samo samodopadno i pretenciozno glagoljaju radi bombastičnog efekta. U 47. minuti ovog filma, jedan mouth-piece ovo abortira:

"The people around here are either

scientists or
ideologists or
religious representatives or
artists or
philosophers.

They cover the global experience of the planet Earth. Each has its own rituals:

religion has numerical rituals,
ideology fascinating ones,
science magical ones.
Art, of course, has to act through the ritual of obsessive neurosis.

Obsessive neurosis is the field where the sacred paradox becomes evident. At this point, assuming

numerical or
fascinating rituals

means assuming the fields that either

ideology or
religion

express. Of course, for the artist, it is essential, that it speaks with its rituals."


E, aj sad ti meni reci, zašto je lik uvodio u diskusiju rituale naučnika, ako je to izostavio iz dalje diskusije? To se u filozofskom diskursu nikad ne radi, to je jedna od prvih stvari koje studente uče na fakultetu kad treba da pišu neki rad. Takođe je u podjeli ljudske rase na djelatnike spomenuo i filozofe, a njih je još više izignorisao u daljoj diskusiji. I konačno, imao je želju da rasvijetli zašto ritual umjetnosti uključuje ideologiju i religiju, a da li je dao odgovor na to pitanje? Nije. Samo je ubrojio te dvije stvari u ritual umjetnosti i mi mu trebamo vjerovati na riječ. Nakon početnog pozitivnog dojma, moj jedino mogući zaključak je da tip laprda ne da nešto kaže, nego da ispadne pametan. Mogao je režiser slobodno isključiti cijeli ton, a ne samo klepiti fade out, kao što kasnije i jeste napravio.

Anonymous said...

Hvala puno za mnogo toga

neuko zensko said...

Son of man, moze tehnicka pomoc?

Skinula sam sve delove 'Ognja' napokon, raspakovala uz ono tvoje CRC uputstvo(btw, password sam ukucala samo abraxas365, a ne i ono 'dokumentarci' jer drugacije nije radilo)i nijedan player nece da mi pusti film. Ni windows media player, ni mv2, ni quicktime, ni nero, a ni vlc :-( Pokusala sam da se iscupam sa nekim video converterom i stalno pise file format error...Narezala sam i na disk i pustila na dvd playeru, nije prepoznao format fajla...
Inace, da napomenem da sam imala slicnu situaciju sa 'A film from Slovenia' s tim sto ga je dvd player uspesno pustio i sve je bilo ok (osim kompa koji nije hteo da pusta).
Neka ideja, predlog?

U svakom slucaju, neizmerno hvala na sjajnim Laibach postovima!!!

son of man said...

Ukucaj ceo password. Ne moze skraceno.

2c761786-1987-11e1-ba6c-000bcdcb471e said...

I was wondering if there was an English subtitle file for this documentary.

Great blog, there's alot of interesting films & music to check out.

Tjomi Lee said...

Evo, napokon, nakon višemesečnog zalaganja i odlaganja objavljivanja, finalne verzije mog prevoda za Prerokbe Ognja (1996):

http://titlovi.com/titlovi/prerokbe-ognja-aka-predictions-of-fire-136686/

А ево га и за ретку сорту нас који преферирамо ћирилицу:

http://titlovi.com/titlovi/prerokbe-ognja-aka-predictions-of-fire-136687/

Od svakoga prema mogućnosti, свакоме према склоности.

Trog said...

Thank You

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